the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

for Ice Monkey, the road to revolution began in the Tolle - when Ore-inator asked to borrow his skiff. Hers had been ganked by the goons, and unless she could borrow another one, she would have to grind back up from an ibis. There was no one she dared ask, except Ice Monkey.

this put Monkey in a dilemma. He had to help her - but if he lent her his skiff, she might afk mine withit. aside from the fact that you could get permabanned for many years for afk mining, the very idea shocked him at first. like everyone else, he ahd been caught by the gooncademy that afk mining was nasty and wrong - something that only pubbies would do

and there wasn't much chance that the New Order would fail to catch him. In his gooncademy classes, Monkey learned that each ice belt had a bumper that reported when someone was afk to goon command. the next time his skiff was in a belt, goon command would send a fleetof talos to gank him. he, as the skiff owner, would recieve the harshest punishment - for not taking pains to prevent the crime.

of course, Ore-inator did not nececarilly intend to afk the mines. she might want the skiff only to mine for her pos, but Monkey knew she was of a middle class family and could hardly afford a retriever, let alone her mining permits. afk mining in a skiff might be the only way she can PLEX her accounts. Monkey understood this himself having had to take a massive loan from the Goonbank to pay for the billions in mining permits of James 315 in the hope he could make it back mining.

later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

monkey would learn that anyone used to be able to go afk while mining. there were even guides to maximizing afk minging profit, but too many non goons made money so the goons ruled that afk mining had the sole purpose of destroying the goons.

goons still needed ice, of course, but ice miners in 2015 were distributed numbered skiffs and mining permits oblt, and only to Gooncademy graduates.

it was possible to bypass the mining permits and mine some ice without paying goons and James 315. but today that would require protection from bumpers and neither Goons nor Concord would ever give you that.

Monkey concluided he couldn't lend his skiff. but he couldn't refuse to help her because ice miners are comrades. he resovled the problem by doing something even more unthinkables - he gave her his account details so the goons would think that it was him, a good citizen who NEVER afk mined.

of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

Power is all that matters.

Real power. Your ability to do things to others, or to prevent other people from doing things to you.

The problem with AFK miners is that they have intentionally given up that last.

I disagree. EVE has managed something no other MMO has, and that is to model how power works in the real world. My power is directly analogous to what I can make you do, or how I can punish you for doing something I don't want you to do.

If you refer to the AFK Ice Miners when you say 'those "sheep"', then no, they won't. The obvious problem is that they are AFK. The next-most obvious problem is that they are motivated purely by ISK - they are too self-interested to worry about stopping bumpers from bumping anybody but themselves. The third most obvious problem is that they're miners: they don't have any way to rise against us. The fourth most obvious problem is that y'all have been saying that ever since we started and we've not seen it. The fifth most obvious problem is this.

Indeed! But congrats to that one miner for learning how to avoid getting bumped. You no longer play in a manner that is indistinguishable to being AFK and hence can avoid getting bumped.

Make a guess at how many barges, exhumers, and other mining ships I've blown up. Go ahead. :)

It took almost a decade of screwing with people to get even a modest fight out of miners, at the rate the Eating of words should occur sometime around 2023, just in time for the release of EVE Online: Geriatrix.

Congratulations again on your superior mining skills.

As for your threats: You could at least have thought of something original to say about it.

Yet another "nonviolent" type putting his playstyle above others' in a bid for self-identified moral superiority.

Minerbumpers may have not gotten enough hugs. I guess that's not an unreasonable assumption.

But what could mommy have done to spur such intolerance for gamesmanship in high-sec miners, then?

It gives me the creeps just thinking about it.

The irony of how you tell us we can't think for ourselves and then crudely shoehorn quotes from people who were talking about completely different things into the situation.

This is the part where I remind you of the "RP" in MMORPG.

Whether or not they actually buy into it is utterly irrelevant.

There's profit to potentially be had so it's a legitimate playstyle.

What could be more simple than that?

Please, I literally just went through an entire post of yours refuting all your ideas and arguments. You want me to respond to everything you say?

OK so I read this and honestly it sounds like you nicked it from someone else again because it doesn't seem to have any relevance to the situation at all and I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense.

Take it up with CCP then. Following one's own advice...it just seems so...Ghandi.

Ironically, if that quote were included, you wouldn't have been able to quote it in this high-quality post.

So the olive branch you offer the bumpers to dissuade them from their "beliefs" is actually a stick of poison sumac?

My money is on the bumpers, here, then.

Thanks, Ghandilocks.

I think you should have a look at my signature.

I see you understand my signuature with equal accuity as your comprehension of Ghandi!

*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*

So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

I doubt the veracity of that statement.

I'm not a mining bumper, nor do I support the new order.

And no, I mostly used that as a fancy way to say that I think you're lying about not being a troll. This post of yours also confirms it.

Edit: You also keep spelling bumpers wrong in the URL. As I have no idea where that site is going to lead, I'm not going to click it.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

Let me get this straight:

You'd rather be bullied than be wrong about what's good for Eve?

That's impressive dedication right there!

I read it and made a post about 1s later. How much thought could be achieved in 1 second?

Could you please post extracts that demonstrate your point? Both of those websites are filtered by my internet service.

OK, so how is that related to the Code? You're saying that James used it to produce the Code, or that he copied from the text already there? Either seems a bit unlikely.

Where is the flaw in my logic? What is the purpose of bumping physics?

That's like claiming the only thing the ice fields in high-sec are good for is disabling smartbombs with the GSC's that litter the area.

It's just not true.

The purpose of bumping physics is to allow ships to bump. That's it.

So, uh, you're basically saying that there's no connection at all between those websites and the Code other than a vaguely defined writing style? OK.

That's also all role-play. Trying to dissect it as anything else just won't work. Role-play. Gamesmanship.

If you dissect a porcine mammal following the instructions for dissecting a coelomate it's not going to come out right.

It's pseudo-intellectualism because it's an RP philosophy about a video game.

It should be transparently obvious to anyone that "the code" is mostly folderol - it's self-serving nonsense by design, but it's glorious self-serving nonsense (with a serious and valid underlying point) and part of the genius of James 315 and the New Order is how easily they get their enemies buying into the fantasy that they've created - it's a perfect demonstration of the point they've trying to make about the mindset that they're seeking to cure. When you have people who oppose your actions quoting your own deliciously absurd rules and regulations against you, invoking The Questions Three, etc. it's a surefire sign of success and incoming entertainment. It's one of the reasons I enjoy reading minerbumping.com.

Why are you trying to interfere with the playstyle of people who want to play zealots in a dystopian spaceship violence game, though?

I still don't see why this particular complaint has any validity in this context.

Maybe if this were My Little Pony Online I could see that viewpoint. But not here.

Uh oh. Wait, isn't that the supposed 'carebear argument'? 'Why are trying to interfere with my playstyle?' It goes both ways I guess.

But bottom line is a carebear's 15 bucks a month is as good as a griefers 15 bucks a month. Actually, the bear's 15 bucks is probably more valuable, business-wise. Because a high sec miner might be a newbie, who might- if he enjoys his first months in EVE- go on to becoming a long-term subscriber.